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that he's always had. >> reporter: it's a spirit that remains intact and still loveably insecure, even in spectacular 3-d. i'm turning you over to wolf blitzer in the situation room. happening now, not an accident. investigators who analyzed the black boxes from the metrojet wreckage, they are now certain it was brought down by a bomb. they tell cnn affiliate france 20 that indicators show a normal flight, then a sudden blackout. game changer. with intelligence already suggesting a terror attack, stepped-up security is now ordered for some flights to the united states. and with an urgent scramble to evacuate tens of thousands of stranded tourists, what will the downing of the russian jet mean for air travel? putin's crossroads. after a briefing by u.s. and british intelligence, russia suspends all flights to egypt. will vladimir putin now shift
his military mission in syria to targeting isis? and on defense. as more questions are raised about his autobiography, gop candidate ben carson is defending his life story and attacking the media. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." breaking news. european investigators who analyzed the black boxes recovered from the wreckage in the sinai desert are now saying flatly that the metrojet crash was no accident. they're telling cnn affiliate france 2 that the flight data recorder confirms the blast was not accidental, as stepped-up security measures are announced for flights originating in some airports abroad. u.s. officials say intelligence
suggests isis or its affiliates bombed the russian airliner perhaps with the help of an airport insider. after being briefed by u.s. and britain on their intelligence, russia has suspended all flights to egypt, and there are now new indications that even before that, russia has stepped up air strikes against the main isis stronghold in syria. i'll talk with congressman peter king of the homeland security and intelligence committees. he's standing by live. and our correspondents, analysts, and guests will have full coverage of the day's top stories. let's begin with cnn's brian todd. brian, the chilling word that investigators are now convinced the russian metrojet airliner was brought down by a wolf. >> that's right, wolf. investigators looked at information from the plane's two black boxes, the cockpit voice recorder and data recorder. that information tonight indicates the worst fees that an explosion, possibly a bomb, killed those 224 people. >> reporter: a disturbing finding from the investigation team, that the downing of the
russian plane appears to be in accident. investigators tell cnn affiliate france 2, sounds from the plane's cockpit recorder indicates an explosion, and no indication of a mechanical problem. everything is fine for the first 24 minutes of flight. then a blackout. >> clearly that points to evidence that criminal investigators are going to want to drill down into. the timing of the explosion, any of the data that can correlate to time and potentially even the location of that explosion. >> reporter: even a small amount of explosive placed in an an airline cargo container can have a devastating effect, as this test shows. tonight british intelligence says they believe a bomb was placed in the hold of the plane were luggage was stored, following what cnn reported earlier this week from a u.s.
official, the belief a bomb was planted in luggage somewhere on the aircraft. suspicion is falling on those with access to sensitive parts of sharm el sheikh airport, including the plane's hold. >> the vulnerability is that out of hundreds of people who have access, if you can extort or turn one or two people to act on your behalf, through extortion or threats, you can defeat the system. >> reporter: and tonight a striking reversal from vladimir putin. the russian president ordering all flights from russia to egypt suspended after the kremlin says the united states and britain shared their intelligence with russia. a russian official tells cnn the suspension will be in place until russian authorities are sure that flying to and from egypt is safe. >> i would avoid this area. i don't think it's a safe place to fly in and out of at this moment, not just because of terrorism, but because there's unrest in the safety and security system there. >> reporter: with suspicion now pointed inside the sharm el sheikh airport, it means one or
more suspects could still be at large. and the egyptian security forces are leading the effort to track them down. in a region that's already been overrun with terror groups, which the egyptians have had a difficult time controlling, a key question tonight, wolf, will the egyptian security forces be up to the task of finding those suspects. >> there's clearly at least one mass murderer if not many more on the loose right now, brian. even with all of this, there's still resistance from the egyptian government to the notion that this was a bomb. >> reporter: at least for now there is, wolf. publicly egyptian officials are still pushing back against the likelihood of a bombing. that could be out concern for their tourism sector. but an official who didn't want to be named said it's a theory they're not discarding had of we may hear more from the egyptians. they're scheduled to make an announcement about the investigation. they're not giving details, but we'll be watching that carefully, saturday eastern time, the egyptians may say something different. >> we'll watch it together with you, brian, thank you. amid the growing belief by
intelligence agencies and now apparently the investigators themselves that the russian airliner was brought down by a bomb, the united states is boosting security measures for some flights bound for this country. let's bring in our aviation correspondent rene marsh, who is working this story for us. what are the security changes they're talking about? >> reporter: tonight, wolf, ussr transportation officials are, as you say, enhancing security at airports around the world, specifically ones that have direct flights coming into the united states. some of the key changes announced today, expanding items that will be making it onto aircraft, so expanding screening of items on board an aircraft. they're also working to assess security at foreign airports. and they're also assisting foreign airports with their security matters, wolf. so those are the three headlines, that announcement just coming from the department of homeland security today. >> that was jeh johnson, the secretary of homeland security. the russians stop all flights in and out of not only sharm el sheikh but also cairo
international airport. the u.s. and the uk have not gone that far. they still are allowing flights into cairo. >> reporter: right. at this point, as far as the changes that we will see, if you're flying out of an airport domestically here in the united states, you're not going to see anything significant. again tonight, the focus is on those international airports that have flights bound for the united states. we should mention, for example, sharm el sheikh airport, no u.s. carriers travel there. however, there is direct service between cairo and the united states. those are the kind of airports where they're focusing their attention on, specifically on security. there are roughly 275 airports similar to cairo in which you have that direct service between the united states. the white house is saying that fewer than ten of those will see this enhanced screening that we're talking about. the majority of them within the middle east may also include some european airports as well.
what will people see? perhaps more bomb sniffing dogs, perhaps more random checks. also swabbing of the hands. but everything will be kept very random. they don't want the bad actors to know exactly what they plan on doing. >> i know there's still nonstop service between cairo and jfk international airport in new york. thanks very much, renee. joining us now, a key member of the house homeland security committee and intelligence committee, congressman peter king from new york. let's talk about these reports, european investigators say the cockpit voice recorder clearly shows that there was an explosion, the flight data recorder confirms there wasn't a technical malfunction. are you ready to say this was a bomb? >> wolf, i've said for the last several days i thought it was a bomb. our intelligence agencies have not yet confirmed about the black box. again, i have no reason to doubt that. and just from what i've been aware of over the last several
days, clear to me, it was clear that it was very, very likely that it was a bomb. some sort of explosive device. there's just too much pointing in that direction. i mean, the area itself, which has so many islamic terrorists, the fact that there is not the type of control that there should be, the jihadist presence. the way it came down. also other evidence that i saw, other information that was made available to me. to me, i was 99% certain that this was a bomb. >> and we've been reporting it was isis likely to be responsible or at least an isis affiliate. is that what you're hearing as well? >> in that area you have isis, but you also have isis in the sinai. and isis in the sinai i think could be capable of this. i would be pointing toward isis or its affiliate, isis in the sinai peninsula. >> i know the u.s. and uk shared intelligence with russia before
vladimir putin decided to suspended all flights to egypt. you said putin's decision to do this is his acknowledgement that this is a terrorist attack and not a malfunction. are u.s. and european officials all on the same page that this is an act of terror? >> from all i can tell, whether it's official or not, that's certainly the way almost all of them are leaning, strongly leading. even the fact that the president came out last night and spoke about terrorism in the strong terms that he did. when the president says it, any president, you have to read more into it. he would not have been talking about terrorism like that, i don't believe, unless his people told him it was most likely terrorism. when he said we're looking at terrorism and didn't mention anything else, really, that showed i believe he was sending a signal to the american people and to the world that there is a growing, growing belief as of last night that this was a bomb. and i would say if these reports about the black box are true,
then to me that makes it virtually conclusive. >> 224 people were killed, murdered, and what is now defined as a terror attack. the russians cancelled all their flights to egypt, not just to sharm el sheikh but to cairo as well. the u.s. has not done so. are you comfortable with nonstop flights originating in cairo and landing at jfk in new york? >> i'm not comfortable. i'm not saying we should shut them all down yet. i think we should look at whether or not we should. i've read different reports about how sophisticated this device may have been. whether they're accurate or not, if this is as sophisticated as some people think it was, then just the fact that we're swabbing people or the fact that we're looking more carefully may not be enough. i think we should consider exactly how we're going to approach this. because this is a new dimension in the war that isis and
islamist terrorists have against the u.s., against the west, i should say, allel all of us wh don't believe in the jihad philosophy. also, wolf, besides stepping up security, we have to step it up in this country as well. airport workers, we've had a number of cases over the last several years not of terrorist activities but of drugs being smuggled, counterfeit money being smuggled, weapons being smuggled from one american airport to another. if gangsters and criminals can do that, certainly terrorists could as well. i think we have to increase our surveillance, our security among airport workers at american airports. and also, we have to start going more on the offense against isis, not just protect our airports and protect ourselves. i think this shows all the more reason why the united states, russia, everyone involved here has to go much more on the offense against isis. >> congressman king, i want you to stand by, we have more to discuss, including a likely response from vladimir putin, what is he going to do against
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for the first time, european investigators who analyzed the wreckage in sinai, they're telling cnn affiliate france 2 that the explosion on the russian airliner was no accident. russia has now suspended all flights to egypt. elise, russia is likely to focus now on intensifying its attacks against isis. >> wolf, president putin has resisted the theory that this was a terrorist attack. but as public evidence mounts, the russian leader was forced to do an about face, raising questions about his next moves in syria. >> reporter: just hours after reports an isis bomb may have brought down the russian jet liner, russian jets took off from a syrian air base, pounding
isis's self-proclaimed capital of raqqah with air strikes. a sign, perhaps, russian leader vladimir putin is ready to devote more attention to the group. since the plane broke apart in midair nearly a week ago, president putin has dismissed claims of terrorism, a reluctance, kremlin watchers believe, to dismiss his people are paying a price for his strategy in syria. but tonight putin quickly suspended all flights between russia and egypt after the u.s. and uk shared their intelligence about the doomed flight with russia. putin's actions are the surest sign yet he believes isis could be to blame. >> we can't rule anything in or out. we have to consider the possibility that a potential of terrorist involvement is here. >> reporter: now u.s. officials are looking to see if these revelations bring an
opportunity, forcing putin to finally focus on his stated target, isis. one leading syrian activist says he hopes russia will come to a new round of peace talks in vienna prepared to declare isis, not the syrian people, as the common enemy. >> the people, we are fighting against isis and the syrian regime, not russia. the russian aggression makes isis stronger than in the beginning. >> u.s. officials say if a bomb brought down the plane, putin could go after terrorists in egypt, syria, chechnya or all of the above. anything they say, wolf, to rally public opinion against terrorism and for his campaign, anything to show they aren't paying the price, wolf. >> elise, thanks very much. we're back with congressman peter king. congressman, what do you think putin will now do? >> i think putin should do what he should have been doing all
along, focusing his attacks on isis. he actually strengthened isis's position by attacking the other rebel forces that are anti-isis. he's going to have to realize the same way i hope president obama realizes, you can't have half-hard attempts. over the last 13 months we've had the most ineffective air campaign ever. you have to go all out. we have to have observers on the ground. we have to concentrate and focus with these attacks. you can't do some here and there. you have to keep going and go. there has to be a long, sustained effort against isis. >> if he does that, should the u.s. coordinate with the russians in a joint war, if you will, against isis in syria? >> i would say yes, because putin is already there. if he's there, you might as well make use of him against isis.
but we also have to step up our activities against isis. to me we have been much too half hard on this. the men and women in the armed forces do a phenomenal job, but they don't have the intelligence on the ground. the only way to get that is with observers on the ground. we have to do much more, sustain it and keep it going. our allies should be doing more. with all these countries involved, we're still doing the overwhelming number of air attacks, and they're not as effective as they could and should be. >> congressman peter king, thanks for joining us. coming up, will russia's president shift his military campaign in syria to directly targeting isis? plus our experts, including our aviation correspondent richard quest, will explain how investigators go about using the plane's black box to determine whether it was an explosion, whether it was a bomb. stay with us. you're in "the situation room."
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let's go live to moscow, our correspondent matthew chance is standing by. everything you're hearing over there, matthew, are the russians now convinced this was a bomb? >> reporter: well, if they are, they're not saying as much explicitly. but the fact is they've been listening to that intelligence that's been shared with them by the united states and by the united kingdom. it's forced them to do something that the kremlin very rarely does, which is a u-turn. remember, 24 hours ago the russians said they're not going to jump to any conclusions before the investigation is completed. they were very critical with the united kingdom for not sharing information they may have had. that message seems to have changed and there's been an exchange of information that happened before the advice was given by president putin to suspend all visits into egypt.
they've acted on that information and it's a very significant u-turn. >> they've gone one step further than the u.s. and the uk. the russians have stopped all flights not only to sharm el sheikh but also to cairo. that represents a considerable advance over what the u.s. and the uk have done. >> reporter: yes, it does. it's interesting, isn't it, and it leaves the russians in a difficult logistical position, because there are many russians in egypt at the moment, it's a popular tourist destination for russians at this time of year to escape the russian winter and to get a last bit of winter sun. that's precisely why the passengers on board the metrojet were there in the first place. they've got to get those tens of thousands of people back as well. yes, they've suspended the flights effective this evening here, friday local time in moscow, but they've still got to get those 50,000 russian citizens back home. >> which is not going to be easy
under the circumstances. thank you, matthew chance. let's get insight from our experts joining us, a contributing writer of the "new york times" magazine, a come u.s. for foreign policy. also a former fbi assistant director. and our national security analyst is joining us, as is our aviation correspondent richard quest. richard, the cockpit voice recorder shows there was an explosion on board. the flight data recorder confirms this wasn't a technical malfunction. it clear to you now based on everything you're seeing and hearing, that this was a bomb? >> one would have to say yes, wolf, in the absence of anything to the contrary. if you actually have the cockpit voice recorder with that split second noise of the explosion before the power is cut, and then you tally that with what we are hearing, which is that the cockpit data or the data recorder shows no malfunction,
for 24 minutes, this flight proceeds entirely normally, and then something. and there is nothing on the data recorder, we're told, that seems to suggest a failing aircraft, mechanical problems, nothing of the sort. you have this noise on the voice recorder and then nothing. in those circumstances, and always remembering, wolf, planes don't fall out of the sky for no reason, you are left with the conclusion it's a bomb. >> it's certainly a chilling thought. tom fuentes, if in fact for the first 24 minutes it shows everything is normal, the cockpit voice recorder shows everything is normal, then all of a sudden the plane explodes, there any other explanation other than a bomb? >> oh, sure. it could still be a mechanical problem on the plane. it could be a gas line
explosion, it could be lithium ion batteries blowing up in the cargo hold. it could still be a disastrous explosion. the data recorders will quit the very second the power is cut, which is when whatever happened, happened. if they hear an explosion, they can say, okay, we have an explosion. that still doesn't prove it was a bomb. that's the most likely thing. i agree with the experts that say it probably was a bomb. but it's not definitive proof. >> you've studied putin, julia, you know this guy. you have to give him some credit, he gets briefed by u.s. and british intelligence and does basically an about face, suspending, cancelling all flights to egypt, he's acknowledging it's a bomb. >> yet at the same time, if you look at the russian evening newscasts tonight, all the official russian wires and news outlets, they were all vociferously denying terrorism. if you're a russian viewer and
turning on your evening news, the picture you get is, it's not terrorism, there was no bomb, we have no proof, there is no connection to russia's campaign in syria, but we're bringing 50,000 russians home who are currently in egypt without their baggage and we're stopping all flights to all of egypt. so you're seeing kind of a conflicting, not totally logical picture. >> peter, in this particular case actions speak louder than words, if they've suspended all flights to egypt, not just sharm el sheikh but cairo as well, that's a lot more significant than whatever russian propaganda is saying. >> indeed. if you go back to putin's first comments, there was schadenfreude at the white house, because you may recall, wolf, there was discussion, maybe assad was pulling himself into something of a quagmire, obviously not in syria itself. but this was a very high political cost for putin to now take on board, because anybody
looking at what's happened can surely draw their own conclusion. as you said, russian media may be saying one thing but people can draw their own conclusions. >> richard, does it make sense for the u.s. and uk to follow russia's lead and suspend all flights, not just to sharm el sheikh, but to cairo as well? >> in terms of the airports, the british have already sent people to sharm el sheikh. and you'll remember that yesterday, president fattah el sisi did say for ten months the british and the egyptians had been looking at security at these airports. so in terms of cairo, i would imagine, i'm speculating to some extent, there's a higher level of security or confidence, because i'm pretty certain, bearing in mind what the british prime minister did two days ago when he came out and said what he said, if he had doubts about
cairo, cairo would also have been off the list. >> you know that the secretary of state, julia, john kerry, will meet with his russian counterpart, the russian foreign minister, next week. do you see coordination between the u.s. and russia now as far as targeting isis in syria is concerned? >> let's look where russia is today. it was completely isolated after its invasion of eastern ukraine. with a negotiated iran deal, it wriggled back to the negotiation table. now it can cozy up to the west because it says, look, we're also the focus of terrorism just like you are, we have to coordinate on this. remember, after 9/11, vladimir putin was the first to call the president and express his condolences. >> very quickly, if the u.s. is
sharing intelligence with russia, why not share it with the egyptians? >> that's a good question, wolf. i don't know if they have or haven't or who is telling the truth about what was shared. that's a good question. as far as russia and cooperation with the u.s., for years russia wanted the u.s. to be more supportive of their efforts in chechnya, which we called harsh and too much. that was one of the mixed messages, the solidarity with us after 9/11 was partly to say, see, welcome to our world. stay with us. we're following the breaking news and we'll update you about the new information we're getting on the downed plane. for the first time european investigators who have analyzed the black boxes, they're telling our affiliate, france 2, that the explosion on the plane was no accident. there's also breaking news in the u.s. presidential race. dr. ben carson is clarifying incidents from his life and criticizing the news media as new questions come forward. whether your car is a new car
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we're continuing to follow today's breaking news for the plane crash investigation and the rising concerns about global aviation safety. there's also some breaking news in the presidential race. dr. ben carson now struggling to explain a story from his autobiography that he was offered a full scholarship to the united states military academy at west point. also today in response to a cnn story, dr. carson says the names of the two people he describes
as the victims of his childhood violence are, in his words, fictitious. >> it's a bunch of lies. attempting, you know, to say that i'm lying about my history. i think it's pathetic. and basically what the media does is they try to get you distracted with all of this stuff so that you don't talk about the things that are important, because we have so many important things. and, you know, i'm not proud of the fact that i had these rage episodes. but i am proud of the fact that i was able to get over them. >> cnn's tom foreman is here in the situation room with more on the controversy over dr. carson's life story. >> wolf, many of ben carson's fans love the fact that he says exactly what he believes. but increasingly critics out there are saying some of what he says is not only outlandish but maybe even dangerous.
>> i'm ben carson. and i'm a candidate for president. >> reporter: from his first steps on the campaign trail, carson has materialsly admitted -- >> it's a false narrative that you have to know everything. . >> reporter: but some statements are startlings h. on healthcare -- >> obamacare is the worst thing that's happened in this nation since slavery. >> reporter: on religion. >> i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. >> reporter: on how people should respond to a rampaging gunman. >> i would not just stand there and let him shoot me. i would say, hey, guys, everybody attack him. >> reporter: even on the hollow co -- holocaust. some statements are rooted in
his faith and fly in the face of science, speculating about an alternative use for the great pyramids, long considered burial chambers. >> my own personal theory is that joseph built the pyramids in order to store grain. >> reporter: but others are much more explosive, like his comment about homosexuality and incarceration. >> a lot of people who go into prison go in straight and they come out gay. did something happen they were in there? >> reporter: carson backed off of that within hours and apologized, saying, i do not pretend to know how every individual came to their sexual orientation. in many other cases when his words are questioned, carson and his fans bristle, suggesting critics are overlooking the context and nuance of his statements and he's just doing what other candidates are afraid to do, speaking his mind so voters really know where he stands. wolf? >> and he's obviously clearly resonating with a lot of republican voters out there, he
and donald trump right now the clear front runners in the race for the republican presidential nomination. joining us now here in the situation room are cnn national political reporter maeve reston. also with us, our senior political recorder nia henderson, and the editorial director of the national journal. guys, we have a lot to discuss right now. i want to take a quick break. much more right after this. but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. real madrid have about 450 million fans. we're trying to give them all the feeling of being at the stadium. the microsoft cloud gives us the scalability to communicate exactly the content that people want to see. it will help people connect to their passion of living real madrid.
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runners, dr. ben carson, clearly on the defensive as new questions are raised about his life story. the story that came out today about west point, maeve, he's not responding, because in his book he suggested he was offered a scholarship to go to west point, he didn't really want to go to west point, he told the "new york times" just a little while ago, i don't remember all the specific details, because i had done so extraordinarily well, you know i was told that someone like me, they could get a scholarship to west point, but i made it clear i was going to pursue career in medicine. it was, you know, an informal with a record like yours you could easily get a scholarship to west point. that's what he told "the new york times" a little while ago. he did get a scholarship to go to yale, which is not too shabby. >> certainly this west point thing kind of came out of nowhere. it hasn't been a huge part of
the narrative but not mentioned in his book. and as he said in the book he was offered a scholarship and had these conversations. we've been looking more at his years in detroit and what he is talked about in this pivotal time in his life with episodes of violence and had a divine intervention from god that helped him get over the incidents. >> he was a violent kid until about the age of 13. wanted to throw a hammer at his mother, used a knife with a friend but hit the belt buckle. nia you're getting word because they refuse to eloquent us who these people were but you're getting new information now. >> i got off the phone with a carson spokesman. they are prepared, someone wants to come forward and corroborate
the stories. they aren't clear the format and time frame but they feel confident. these are internal deliberations in the campaign. apparently carson at one point wanted to be more specific about who those people were and other people in the campaign that didn't want that. some wanted to come forward but changed their mind. >> this is exactly what you wanted. >> this is exactly what we've been asking for for the last few weeks. we want to the campaign initially asking to speak to eyewitnesss and people involved in these incidents. so i'm delighted the carson campaign is now ready to let us talk to these folks and, you know, talk a little bit about that time in his life, temperament and how it changed. that's what we've been asking for from the beginning. >> we covered politics for a long time. they have to be ready to scrutinized if they want to be
president of the united states. >> it's the biggest challenge for outsider candidates. the language was very different. even last month on charlie rose, i was offered a full scholarship to west point. that's different from "the new york times" about an informal conversation maybe something was available. this is often the most difficult thing for the outsider candidates who have not really gone through this and faced this vetting before and when you run for president, it's a big spotlight and stage. >> let's look at the poll numbers. you've been studying eternals. put them up on the screen. carson wins with evangelicals, these are republican caucus goers at 31% with white evangelical drops below trump's 17% with other voters, potential voters out there overall trump leads carson with iowa caucus goers 25-23%. >> this is exactly the same pattern that allowed mike huckabee and rick santorum to win iowa in 2008 and 2012 but
each ran into trouble. each one evangelicals in iowa and because they are 60% of the republican vote in iowa, that was enough to win. while winning the state, they lost non-evangelical. rick santorum won one in five and huckabee one in ten and that allowed them to win a lot of southern states and evangelicals but because they couldn't broaden, they were unable to grow into full fledged contenders. if you look at the poll that came out this week, it's the same pattern. he's ahead by 14 points among evangelicals and trump behind by 13 and this sort of controversy is the sort of thing that will contain potentially contain and limit hill to that base. >> unlike santorum or huckabee, both of whom won the iowa caucus, ben carson is doing well nationally in the polls, as well. >> admired men in america and
the most recent gallop poll. so he's got a story that connects with people. >> incredible story where he ka came from and wound up at john hopkins. guys, stand by. much more coming up. we're following other breaking news. investigators that analyzed black boxes from the wreckage are certain it was brought down by a bomb and tell cnn affiliate that int kay tors show-- indica that all of a sudden a normal flight and then blackout.
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happening now, breaking news convinced it's a bomb. the russian air disaster was an act of terror it's said. what the jet's black boxes revealed. american security. the united states responding to concerns that an airport insider may have planted a bomb in that russian jetliner. we're going to tell you about new screenings being ordered as we get an unprecedented look inside the airport where the russian jet took off. pay back for isis? if the terror group blew up a commercial airliner, should the u.s. join with russia to retaliate. i'll ask rand paul. pushing back, one of the gop front runners ben carson is dismissing questions about his past as pathetic but tonight there are more doubts being raised about certain accounts of his personal history. we're standing by to hear this hour from dr. carson. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're "the situation room."
>> this is cnn breaking news. the breaking news this hour, european investigators reportedly are now convinced a bomb brought down a russian airliner. we're learning what was found on the plane's black boxes now for the first time. cnn affiliate france says the black box captured the explosion and the flight data recorder showed no sign of any technical malfunction confirming the explosion was no accident. tonight, the department of homeland security is stepping up screenings of flights out of the region and russia grounded all flights to and from egypt. cnn has learned that the russian president vladimir putin gave the order after the u.s. and britain shared their intelligence. the two countries reportedly have information suggesting a bomb was put in the cargo hold before the plane took off likely
by isis or isis affiliate. i'll ask rand paul what he's been learning and foreign relations committees and our correspondents and analysts standing by with the news breaking right now. up first, let's go to our justice correspondent pal la brown. pamela, there is considerable evidence there was a bomb on the russian plane. >> that's right. we're learning european investigators listed to the black boxes and say everything seemed normal for 24 minutes and then suddenly there was a noise that sounded like an explosion they believe was not accidental. meaning all 224 people on board that flight may have been doomed before the plane even took off. investigators analyzing the plane's black boxes say sounds of an explosion can be heard on the cockpit voice recorder and according to french media, those investigators say with confidence, those sounds did not stem from technical failures.
as russian drones scouring the debris field, focus remains on egyptian's sham el sheikh airport where the aircraft departed. british intelligence believe an insider at the airport may have planted a bomb in the plane's cargo hold right next to the aircraft's fuel line. >> you have food service workers, baggage handlers, maintenance personnel, all sorts of folks that have legitimate access and if you look statistically, working on those folks, somebody will be bad someplace. somehow perhaps they can be exploit the. >> reporter: satellites captured a midair flash over the peninsula indicating a potential explosion in the sky. u.s. and british intelligence officials say chatter coming from isis in the sinai peninsula suggest the terrorist group could be behind the plot. that intelligence has been shared with them but egypt says it knows nothing about it.
>> we would have liked the u.k. not to make a decision until the full reports concerning the crash has been published. >> reporter: today after u.s. and british officials share intelligence. vladimir putin made the bold announcement russia is suspending all flights to egypt. officials in egypt continue to push back saying it's too early to know what caused the crash. we have learned that russia made the decision to pull flights to egypt after it reviewed u.s. and british intelligence. officials i spoke with says that intelligence is concerning but inconclusive. what is key is whether there is a past pattern. until final assessment will be made until that's released. >> clearly the evidence seems to be mounting right now. pamela, thanks, very, very much. with more evidence pointing to a terror attack on the russian jetliner killing all 224 people on board, the department of
homeland security here in washington has taken action. our aviation correspondent rene marsh is joining us. tell us about the security measures that have just been ordered. >> tonight u.s. transportation officials are tightening security at airports around the world where flights originate. there are more than 275 airports we know that have direct flights to and from the united states. more than 275 of those airports but we know tonight that fewer than ten of those airports will see that heightened security. that's according to the white house and the focus will be on the sinai peninsula. also, airports within the middle east as well as possibly other european airports. tonight, international carriers flying stranded passengers out of egypt have triggered dramatic new measures based on british government guidelines. several carriers have banned passengers in egypt from
bringing anything but carry on bags on board, forcing them to leave checked luggage behind. >> we're glad that the government are putting security measures in place for us. >> reporter: overseas airports with direct flights to the united states are preparing for increased security measures. today homeland security secretary jay johnson announced expanded screening of items going onto the aircraft. travelers will also likely see random searches, extra hand swabbing or passengers and possibly more bomb sniffing dogs and assess security at select foreign airports. >> we talk about the shoe bomber, underwear bomber, printer caprint er cartridges. that's from my perspective where the concern is. >> reporter: u.s. officials stress there are already multiple layers of security to screen passengers before they ever get on a plane bound for
the u.s. including checking all passengers and crew against the u.s. terror watch list but vulnerability still exists. the insider threat is a major concern. >> employee vetting needs to be beefed up and once they hire these individuals, they need to continue to vet them on a reoccurring basis to make sure they go bad during their course as an employee, we catch that. >> reporter: intelligence officials say if the downing of metro jet was an insider job, authorities worldwide must zero in on airport and airline workers with secure access. tonight travelers flying domestically may be wondering how this impacts them. announced any changes to airport security domestically. it appears they are confident with the current system in place but entirely possible, wolf, to see increased hand swabbing, possibly more officers and k-9s
do domestically, as well. let's go to sham el sheikh airport. an unprecedented tour behind the scenes of that airport. our senior international correspondent is on the scene for us at the airport and reports point to an explosion on board the plane. you're there. how closely are investigators probing airport employees right now and other contractors? >> reporter: well, that is the avenue that many of the western intelligence agencies that are currently looking into this issue would like to be followed but at the same time, the airport officials we've been speaking to here on the egyptian side insist and continue to reiterate they don't think there is anything wrong with their security. we actually asked the head of the security sector for airports in this entire region what they were doing differently and he told us nothing because we are also operating at optimal
capacity but in spite of that, they acre knowledge thnom ackn overseeing the security taking off to the u.k. from here. they are giving them that option and the understanding we have here is that a lot of other nations are going to be looking for the same kind of facility, wolf, in the meantime, those restrictions on all but hand luggage continued to be in place giving broader credence to that concern and those reports coming out of the u.k. today this perhaps could have been where that security infrastructure fell down here. >> nima, is there a sense at the airport where you are there in sham el sheikh there is one mass murder or several mass murderers on the loose now? >> reporter: the egyptians are absolutely not consciencing any debate about this. they are saying wait until the
investigation is over and we understand that there could be some kind of announcement about that investigation within the next 24 hours. so morning cairo time we might actually have something about where the investigation is as it stands because even though they are putting forward this very strong front that we believe that our security is absolutely up to the task, at the same time, the pressure is becoming overwhelming. you finally have the last domino there falling with russia saying actually we need to start looking at getting our people out until we have something concrete from the ground as to what exactly happened here, wolf. >> at sham el sheikh airport for us. thanks very much. joining us now, senator and republican presidential candidate rand paul of kentucky. he's a member of the senate homeland security and foreign relations committee. senator, thanks very much for joining us and i want your reaction to this france cnn affiliate reporting
investigatiinvestigato investigators are convinced it was a bomb that brought down the plane. are you similarly convinced? >> reporter: i don't know if i'm enough of a bomb expert but i've said for a long time i think one of our biggest threats is coming in from outside the country. we need to be careful with doll me -- domestic flights but i don't think airports around the world will have the degree of security we have and we need to be concerned about international flights and we do need to spend time on manifest of who is coming to visit the country. as you mentioned in the piece leading up, some of it is employees, the people handling baggage. we've had lapses who is in the baggage handling area. in foreign countries, i can't imagine they have nearly the sophistication we have so yes, we need to be concerned. how should the u.s. respond if this was an isis attack? >> i don't know if there is one response to say this is what
we're going to do. i said all along we shouldn't arm radical jihads around the world and never should have armed al qaeda in syria and/or isis in syria. isis rides around in a billion dollars worth of our humvees and cash they are paying soldiers with. we've made real mistakes in that area and now i think there really can be a concerted effort to wipe out isis. probably will involve iran and russia in someway or form regardless of what we want and it may well involve assad, as well. but the thing is is that we do need to unify and say enough is enough. let's stamp out this. >> you say the u.s. armed them because it was arming iraqi allies, if you will or other whose simply abandoned their weapons, fled and as a result terrorists got the weapons.
is that the point you're trying to make? >> we did it twofold. some came from syria and isis took the weapons or in some cas cas cas cases kutar and we gave them to allies that were not good with holding weapons. it's a compilation of mistakes but we fought a war, we lost nearly 5,000 of our young men and women and spent a trillion dollars in iraq. you really got to wonder how ungrateful iraq is for us liberating them. >> we'll have much more, senator, stand by. i want your thoughts on u.s. airline security now. what needs to be done and the security of the 700 plus u.s. soldiers in sinai right now, very volatile region. how secure are they? should they stay there or should the u.s. stay out? much more with senator land paul
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we're following breaking news in the russian plane cash. the jet was brought down by a bomb and tonight, the united states is stepping up security for u.s. bound flights out of the middle east. we're back with senator and presidential candidate rand paul. in the past, correct me if i'm wrong, i believe you said you think it's time for the u.s. to end that tsa transportation security administration. if you were president, would you do away with the tsa? >> you know, i would pry ivatiz it. they have security done by pry i have -- private agencies. it's not so much airport security but intelligence to stop people. we had evidence two of the hijackers were in the country and the cia didn't tell the fbi this. we captured one of the hijackers a month in advance so i think it's doing a better job with
targeted intelligence and not spending so much of our time with blanket intelligence of everyone. the boston bomber we were tipped off by the russians, we didn't keep track of him because of some kind of screw up with the way the name was spelled. we need to spend more time on actually examining manifest. who is visiting us from saudi arabia? who is visiting from egypt? who is coming from anymore in the middle east and we need to do thorough background checks on these people even if it delays their entry into the country. we need a threat assessment in the airports for domestic flights, but i think really that we need to try to target it and i like the frequent flier program. it's made traveling better in our country and thousands and thousands of businessmen and women are not a threat. get them out of the line so your actual attention being paid to
threats you can spend more time. the frequent flier program is a good program and made it easier. >> you're talking about the prescreen or global entry but that's done by the tsa. how would a private contractor, for example, do that kind of screening? >> you can have any of this. we still have some airports that do have private screening. so i guess it's just a question of who does a better job? the reason i tend to distrust government is they are not good at doing a lot. for example, we're talking about the white house being hacked into. we're talking about the head of our intelligence agencies getting e-mail hacked by a teenager. we're talking about a government that lost 21 million records from the office of personnel. this is a government that's not very good at keeping secrets and so i don't know, i tend to think that the private marketplace is protecting themselves all the time. i don't think they could do worse. look, they tested the tsa
recently. what was it? over half the time the bomb got through when they tested them. i would arm pilots instead of a small percentage being armed, i would say 100% ought to be armed. i think having the air marshals be involved is a good idea and more air marshals and maybe less of the thousands of people in the tsa that may not be as necessary or as good as a air marshal on board. there are a lot of things we can do but the bottom line is we have to be careful about people come income from other countries, particularly the middle east. >> should the u.s. military keep 750 or so american soldiers in sinai right now, the dangerous part of sinai? we're showing video there. there is peace keeping observers. would you keep them there? >> i'm trying to remember how long they have been there -- >> they have been there since the israeli egyptian peace treaty was signed in 1979.
>> yeah, long time ago. probably we ought to transition away where there are more local people doing it and have a secure piece for a long time. i thought that's what they had been stationed. i think the bigger question right now is i think the full hardy notion that we'll put 50 people in a war in syria and that somehow is a good idea tal force is probably one of the dumbest things i've heard of and i hope tragedy doesn't come from that but that's the most under whelming use of force i've ever heard of. i'd say you go in with overwhelming force or maybe not at all. >> final question on the u.s. economy as you know the job numbers came out today, 271,000 jobs created in october. the unemployment rate is now at only 5%. that's a seven-year low and president obama's first year in office, you remember the unemployment rate was as high as 10% in october of 2009.
does president obama deserve credit for the economic turn around? >> i think some of the unemployment numbers under estimate those not working. the other way we measure this is by labor, participation rates and there is still probably the highest number of people not working that we've ever had in our history so what happens is when people are no longer looking for work, when they are just on permanent leave on assistance, all of a sudden they are not counted anymore. i think the numbers run estimated. i know in kentucky we're still struggling. we have lost thousands of jobs in the cole industry and president's regulations on clean power act i think threaten to bankrupt the rest of our cole industry in kentucky so in kentucky we're still hurting very much from president obama's policies. >> senator paul, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> just ahead for the first time investigators say the explosion aboard that russian airliner was no accident. our experts taking a closer look how they reached that conclusion and whether russia will no go
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that a bomb brought down a russian airliner in egypt from the jet's black boxes. it's the first time we're hearing officials reach such a if i were conclusion. let's bring in peter goals. our law enforcement analyst tom fuent fuentas. for the first 24 minutes, everything was quiet according to the flight data recorder, all of a sudden they heard on the cockpit voice recorder this huge explosion and concluded it was a bomb. >> i think that's more conclusive than anything we've had so far with a very short, sharp explosion on the voice recorder, that could confirm it was an explosive device and came from the french, they were the ones k looing at the data recorder and the voice recorder. so i think it's pretty significant. >> richard, do you agree because it is a major development that
all of these intelligence agencies now seem to be almost 100% convinced it was a bomb? >> yes, it is extremely significant. the consensus view you've had the british, you've had the americans you've now had the russians on board and have the bea or at least you have the french authorities but what we are really talking about here, if we're going to be strictly accurate, you're talking about the noise being that of an explosion and the experts going on to say it has -- it was a bomb. well, you know, one can go both ways on this. you have to take the totality as it stands at the moment and as we look at it, it does appear that explosion was not mechanical, was not the fuel tanks, but was a bomb and that's where we have to leave it but we're waiting to hear from the egyptians who i believe are going to make a statement in the next 12 to 16 hours, and they
will of course, have the very tricky task of whether or not they actually start moving towards a bomb. >> paul, the b.b.c. is reporting the bomb was placed in the cargo hold of the metro jet airliner. i know you've been speaking with your sources. what are you learning? >> a couple days, that the intelligence chatter suggested that an insider at sham el sheikh airport got conventional explosives onto the plane perhaps onto the hold of the plane and this is a group, wolf, which has a track record, isis in sinai recruiting people inside the egyptian police forces. the egyptian military. so i think it's quite plausible they could have recruited an insider at sham el sheikh airport to do this. >> as you know, tom, the u.s.
and britain, they decided to share intelligence, sensitive intelligence with russia and as a result of that, the russian president vladimir putin suspended all flights with russia and cairo, as well. obviously, russians were convinced by what they learned. >> i think we painted them into a corner because if the next plane that is russian takes off from there and blows up and they ignored what would appear to be great advice from the u.s. and britain, you know, shame on them. so i think that no matter what, once we gave them information leading to believe that it was probably a bomb, they were pretty much going to have to do. >> and supposedly, it was chatter communications intercepted presumably and this is the concern if the russian suspended all those flights to egypt. there was something in that intelligence suggested this is not necessarily the end. more is on the way. >> probably. the chatter, i'm always suspicious of chatter. >> why? >> well, because in a case like
this, isis did take credit right away. that means all the isis members in the neighborhood will call and brag, aren't we wonderful? did they get specifics how that bomb was placed, who did it? which cell? if they have something more than chatter, that's what i would look for. >> i want all four of you to stand stand by for a moment. we've getting new reported isis video. stand by. we'll assess the video when we come back. i have type 2 diabetes.
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. we're following breaking news, getting information including video from isis as the terror group continues to claim responsibility for the downing of that russian airliner killing all 224 people on board. we're back with our aviation and law enforcement experts. let's go to paul, look at this video, tell us about it. >> what this video has just from the isis branch saying they launched this attack because of those russian air strikes in syria and they are also promising more attacks like this
in the days and weeks ahead, wolf. it really electrified the online global jihad community they are very mobilized now and i think they are disturbing implications for all our security. >> very disturbing, indeed. peter, the tsa as you know is ramping up security at international airports, at least trying to do for flights bound for the united states. what should they be doing here inside the united states? >> it is disturbing. remember, it was only last july that homeland security person -- johnson, jay johnson as secretary had to fire the head of tsa because of a very poor evaluation. 95% of weapons and fake bombs got through. we have a real problem in our check points and we still have that problem. i'm glad johnson was able to do that. >> richard, enhanced security
measuring being added to flights coming into the united states. is that enough to stop another potential bomb? >> well, what they are going to do is look and try and see exactly where the weak points may be. more than 200 potential destinations, only 10 are considered to be significant in the sense of needing these extra measures and that's where the attention is going to be focussed. i suspect it's all going to be behind the scenes. it really is getting into the plumbing, if you like, right down into the drains of these airports to see where the weak spots may be. interestingly, wolf, on that video that isis has just released, has been showing, slightly, i'm not sure what to make of it but in that video, right in the middle you've got the metro jet, jet they do simulations of what happens but then they show an a-380. there it is. the a-380 right in the middle of
it and i'm not sure what the purpose -- i think a 380. it's certainly the engine and i'm not sure what purpose they serve by putting a much larger plane, what sort of warning in there by putting that plane when all the other pictures and graphics they proversely used are of metro jet. >> tom, don't you think the fbi should be involved directly in this investigation, that the egyptians and the russians for that matter should invite counterterrorism specialists at the fbi and other experts to come in and for tasparticipate. >> they are not going to invite them into the scene. >> why? >> because they want to be able to put their own spin and not trust the fbi. the fbi is going to say this is what we discovered from our investigation and not allow it. one other thing on the tsa i fly internationally. the effort concerns hand checking passengers at the gate
as they board a plane bound for the u.s. it does nothing about those airports and the employees that work in the airports, the background investigation which is up to the host country. so again, if you have employees putting bombs in the cargo or catering service and food treys, there is nothing those hand checks for passengers will do to stop that. >> all right, guys, stand by. we'll continue to follow breaking news. there is other news we're following. just ahead, dr. ben carson lashes out and there is new fuel tonight for questions about his personal history but first, this impact your world. >> barbara massad has a way in the kitchen so after a visit to a syrian refugee camp in lebanon, the cookbook author and photographer knew there was a special recipe she needed to whip up. >> i had to do something, didn't know what. i wanted to get closer to the
problem. >> lebanon is overwhelmed with more than a million syrian refugees, many live in the valley refugee camp and struggle to provide for their families. >> this whole adventure started when i went up not knowing i would do a cookbook. i started taking photographs of the refugees. i have a friend of mine, her name is tina and she called me one day and said i want to cook soup for the refugees like in america they have soup kitchens and that's what we did. >> she began collecting recipes from chefs and friends to create a cookbook called soup for syria. all proceeds go to the un refugee agency to help refugees. she says her work must continue to support children like 6-year-old iya who has been at this camp for two years. >> i became attached to them. this is my drive and my motivation to continue the project.
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florida. i want to go to the scene in florida, as well. the question about carson's personal history, are they growing right now? what's the latest? >> they are, wolf, and so much of dr. ben carson's appeal to voters voters is really all about his personal narrative he's told of his life struggles. so tonight he is taking a much more combative, much more defensive tone, pushing back on all these questions about his past. tonight ben carson's past becoming a central topic in the campaign. >> i'm not proud of the fact that i had these rage episodes. but i am proud of the fact that i was able to get over them. >> reporter: the retired neurosurgeon facing mounting scrutiny over acts of violence as a child. >> this is a bunch of lies, attempting to say that i'm lying about my history. i think it's pathetic. and basically, what the media does is they try to get you distracted. >> reporter: and carson is now
lashing out, trying to redirect the fire at the media, blasting cnn's investigation which found no one from the candidate's past to corroborate the incident. >> some of the victims were members of my family. i understand that i will not let them be victimized again by the media. and if you choose to believe that i'm incapable of these acts, i guess that's kind of a compliment. >> reporter: sensing an opening, donald trump unleashing a series of tweets about his rival's background, writing, quote, the carson story is either a total fabrication or, if true, even worse, trying to hit mother over the head with a hammer or stabbing friend. this comes as a new cnn/orc poll shows the two leading gop contenders solidifying their top tier place in iowa. rubio and cruz are battling it out for third place. the rest of the field all trailing well behind in single digits. >> no national polls are going to determine who the next president of the united states is going to be.
>> reporter: chris christie and mike huckabee meanwhile will be excluded on the main stage because of their low national poll numbers from the next debate. >> maybe i'll get time to talk. if i had as much time to talk in the first three debates as the other candidates, i probably would still be on that stage. >> reporter: and tonight there is another dustup over his record. when political reporter that he fabricated his story about application and acceptance into west point, this despite claiming for years that he got a full scholarship to west point. but the carson campaign pushing back hard on this, saying that he decided not to apply. wolf? >> dr. carson is now at the microphones. let's go there to palm beach guard nardens in florida and li in. >> no, i will not clarify and give the names because the person does not want their name revealed. yes. and it would be unfair of me to drag them into this when they
don't want to be there. >> did you fabricate -- >> -- scholarship to west point -- >> sure. if you look at one of the websites that west point has today, it says government offered full scholarship to west point. so they use that very language themselves. almost 50 years ago, they may have been using that language as well. the situation -- [ inaudible question ] it didn't go to that extent because they were very impressed with what i had done. i had become the city executive officer in less time than anybody else had ever done that. and they were saying, you would be a tremendous addition to the military, and we can get you into west point with a full scholarship. i simply said, i want to be a doctor.
i really appreciate it. i'm very flattered. and i moved on. so it didn't go on any further than that. >> to what extent do you believe your west point account to the public assessment of you as a presidential candidate? >> i don't think it's relevant at all. but i think what it shows and these kind of things show is that there is a desperation on behalf of some to try to find a way to tarnish me because they have been looking through everything. they have been talking to everybody i've ever known, everybody i've ever seen. there's got to be a scandal. there's got to be some nurse he's having an affair with. there's got to be something. they are getting desperately. next week will be my kindergarten teacher who said i peed in my pantsz. it's ridiculous. but it's okay because i totally expect it. >> can you tell us just clarify your meeting with general westmoreland and what was talked about. >> well, i was invited to a number of events because of my
position. there was -- this is almost 50 years ago -- a lot of excitement about some congressional medal of honor winners, at least one of which was from detroit, and there was a big affair that i was invited to. that's the one where i had an opportunity to meet the general. and that was also a time, as i recall, that several of the high brass told me that i would be somebody that they would be interested in in the military. >> dr. carson as being actually offered a scholarship, having somebody say, we can get you in with a scholarship doesn't mean you've been given one. >> it was an offer to me. it was specifically made to -- >> you interpreted it as an offer? >> i interpreted it as an offer. >> who gave it, though? >> i made it very clear. i don't remember their names of
the people. it's almost 50 years ago. i bet you don't remember all the people you talked to 50 years ago. but anyway, they told me, this was available to me because of my accomplishments and that they would be delighted for me to do it. and i told them immediately that my intention was to become a physician, it always has been, and i was very honored but i would not be pursuing that. i also made it very clear in my book that i only applied to one college. i only had enough money to apply to one college. and i decided to apply to the college that won the grand champion in college, and that grand championship was between harvard and yale. i'm sure you can go back and find the fact that it was between yale and harvard and yale demolished harvard. anybody associated with harvard probably wouldn't want you to find the vord records but it's. >> go ahead. right here. >> to those who say you may have
exaggerated and are using that to build your resume as far as west point, what would you say to those people? >> i would say, where's the exaggeration? >> dr. carson, one of your opponents has said this is the beginning of the end. how do you think this will affect the polls if it will at all. >> well, you said the key word there, "opponent" what do you expect? >> it was intimated we would get more details about your childhood friends you were involved in violence with, potentially revealing bob or jerry. can you expand on this? are we going to get their identities? >> if you want to find their identity, let me tell you where you should probably go. you should go to the incident where it happened, to the place where it happened, wilson junior high school in detroit. is where the lock incident occurred. maybe they still have the records. it was 51, 52 years ago. but maybe they still have them. >> and the other incident, too?
>> which other incident? >> with your mother, all of -- bob and jerry, whichever one -- we haven't really -- >> well, the incident with my mother, she and my brother were the only people who were there. >> what do you make -- >> dr. carson -- >> you don't seem to have a recollection when questions were asked everybody who has been spoken to says, i don't remember these incidents. >> why would they remember them? i mean, i think that is -- as a scientist who does investigations, that is the most lame investigation i have ever seen, where you get people, find people, random people in the neighborhood who knew me. you obviously must know about that specific incident. what a bunch of garbage. the only people who would know about that would be the people who were involved. >> dr. carson, for the first time last night you mentioned -- >> wait a minute. let me finish. you would need to talk to the people who were involved in the
incident. now, i have said, if they wish to come forward and have a barrage of media, they're welcome to do so. i would in no way discourage them or encourage them to do that. but that's a choice that's up to them. it would be very unfair -- >> -- this is causing you -- >> i don't think it's causing a complication. here's my prediction. my prediction is that all of you guys trying to pile on is actually going to help me because when i go out to these book signings and see thousands of people, they say, don't let the media get you down. don't let them disturb you. please continue to fight for us. see, they understand that this is a witch hunt. >> dr. carson, you mentioned -- >> how -- >> this gentleman right here. >> how long do you think you can actually rely on that? maybe through the primaries. but at some point you're going to have to get to the substannive issues. >> that's exactly what i'm
trying to do, get to the substantive issues. this is off subject. things that happened 45, 50 years ago, that's all -- >> why don't you get them out of the way and move on? >> as far as i'm concerned, they are out of the way. and let me just say one other thing. i do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president barack obama when he was running. in fact, i remember just the opposite. i remember people just, oh, we really don't talk about that. we won't talk about that relationship. well, marshal davis, we don't want to talk about that. bernadine dorn, ayers, he didn't really know them. all the thing that's jeremiah wright was saying, oh, that's not a problem. goes to okcollege doesn't do th well, somehow ends up as columbia university. his records are sealed? why?